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  • #1822

    Mrityunjay Singh
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    The startling development is a proposal for a $13-billion oil refinery at Kitimat, B.C., that would provide 6,000 construction jobs for five years and 3,000 direct jobs thereafter, as well as thousands of service spinoffs. Hundreds of millions of dollars in new tax revenues would be generated annually. In effect, our resources would have value added here instead of in China. No government could ignore that kind of opportunity.

    On the environmental side, the idea would vastly reduce concerns about tanker accidents. No longer would the floating behemoths be carrying heavy bitumen. Instead, the cargo would be diesel, gasoline or jet fuel, all of which evaporate quickly after a spill. Environmentalists should be overjoyed.

    David Black who submitted the application says the plant could process up to 550,000 barrels per day.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/columnists/kitimat-refinery-would-be-a-game-changer/article4487586/?cmpid=rss1

    http://www.hydrocarbonprocessing.com/Article/3077324/Latest-News/Canada-newspaper-owner-proposes-13bn-refinery.html

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/08/17/bc-black-crude-oil-refinery.html


    Aerial view of Kitimat, BC

  • #4599

    Paul Orlowski
    Participant

    RE: Proposed new refinery in Kitimat, BC Canada

    He has no backers, partners or investors.

    But what David Black does have is a strong business pedigree to support his bold vision for a $13-billion oil refinery in northern British Columbia, putting him smack in the middle of the most divisive political issue in Western Canada.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/oil-and-ink-publishers-bold-refinery-plan-raises-eyebrows/article4486051/

  • #4588

    Anonymous

    Josh, thanks for ginivg your association. I can be frank instead of attempting to tutor.The climate threat is ridiculous. The carbon dioxide increase is how much, 10% over Mexican oil? Plus, with the location, it is a prime candidate for CO2 injection to assist oil production. This is assuming you consider CO2 increase to be a negative, when I am of the opinion that increased CO2 and the mildly warmer and wetter world it would provide are a boon to humanity.As for safety issues, you’re deluding yourself. The primary cause of pipeline explosions is theft. Pipelines have fewer and smaller accidents than trucks or trains, and it is by far the cheapest, safest, and most efficient method of transport. As for environmental protection, that’s Canada’s business. To my knowledge, all proposed new drill sites do not have tailings ponds. I suggest you spend your time arguing for stricter permitting requirements rather than protesting the most environmentally friendly part of the entire project.Your obstructionism is doing nothing but harming the planet and risking lives,

  • #4584

    Anonymous

    It is a false assumption that we need the Northern Gateway piieplne in order to pay employees of the federal or provincial government. The money we will lose by not building this piieplne is nothing in comparison to the money and debt we will leave for our children by releasing more GHG emissions into the atmosphere and the cost associated with a spill (and please take one minute and think about the emotional cost as well). How would you feel if someone tells you they will run a piieplne through your land? How would you feel? Do you think the First Nations will feel better if you tell them but China needs the oil. Please sacrifice your land and water for us. They are Canadians like you and it is their damn right to say No, I do not want a piieplne running through my land so big oil companies can make more bucks and keep polluting our atmosphere. They simply seek to protect the fundamental nature of the wilderness of northern British Columbia, the ecological health of British Columbia coastal eco-systems. When will we give them the respect they deserve? We do not have another 20 years to finally break away from fossil fuels. We want job creation? Well, why don’t we send a letter to all Conservative MPs asking why they give $1.4 billion in subsidies to the oil and gas industry every year instead of investing into renewable energies? Canada has already lost so many jobs by not jumping on these opportunities of renewable energy technologies. This government has failed to present an energy strategy to Canada. We have no energy policy. We are still importing more than half of the oil we use. Furthermore, we have no plan to reduce our dependency on fossil fuels,Countries like Germany and China (largest investment into renewable energy last year) can do it and have long time ago discovered how important it is to make the switch. Look around, this country has so much renewable energy resources how much money Canada could make and is losing out on? Yes, we could be an energy super power. A green energy super power and a country which makes the switch for long-term and healthy jobs. There are other ways to diversify Canada’s energy markets. There are other projects, and most important other forms of energy.It is false that we cannot afford renewable energy yet! I wish people would finally start educating themselves about the real money behind fossil fuels. You think fossil fuels are affordable? Well, make the effort and look back in history how much subsidies have gone into fossil fuels and still do! Of course, renewable energy seems expensive. Let’s finally take away these subsidies and give them to the renewable energy sector. This government has no interest in your or your children’s future otherwise it would make smart and wise investments. Furthermore the piieplne project requires over-turning the current moratorium on oil tanker traffic on the British Columbia coastline.The federal-provincial oil tanker moratorium has been in place for decades and there is a reason for this, moving oil tankers through 300 km of perilous navigation in highly energetic tidal conditions is a bad choice. And just a bit over a year ago the government’s own Commissioner for the Environment, reported that Canada lacked the tools to respond to an oil spill. If you are not concerned enough yet, get yourself informed about the Exxon Valdez and how Exxon treated the community in Alaska and workers who cleaned up after. They couldn’t care less about people! It is legitimate for Canadians to ask their government to put the rights of people before the rights of big oil companies. The government is voted into power to represent the people of Canada not to defend the rights of huge corporations. Coming back to the job argument: Canada’s energy labour unions estimate it means exporting 40.000 jobs out of Canada by building the piieplne. They prefer refining the crude here in Canada same as for the Keystone XL piieplne. Furthermore, the Conservative government seems to care so much about jobs but they couldn’t care less about the people who lost their jobs due to their absurd budget cuts to Environment Canada, DFO and NGOs. (Just another indicator how little prepared they are to monitor the piieplne or any spills and how little they care about providing safe standards to piieplnes and tanker traffic)Please, I wish that Canadians make the effort and value this wonderful country and the right of peoples home more than the right of polluters.

  • #4579

    Anonymous

    An aswner from an expert! Thanks for contributing.

  • #4557

    Anonymous

    hey bud. i work in the oil & gas. diesel & jet fuel do not evaporate quickly.

  • #4497

    Anonymous

    China’s largest bank will be helping to finance the proposed Kitimat refinery, which would process oil from the Alberta oilsands in B.C., instead of the raw bitumen being shipped overseas.
    B.C. media mogul David Black said he has signed a memorandum of understanding with the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China (ICBC) for the proposed refinery that is estimated to cost $25 billion.
    Black, who was in Beijing on Thursday, did not say how much money ICBC will provide, only that the bank has expressed interest in loaning money to the enterprise, functioning as a co-ordinator to get other banks involved, and providing engineering and construction help to build the refinery.
    “They’re very interested. There’s a lot in this for China and there’s a lot in this for Canada and B.C.,” Black told CBC News. “This is a non-binding letter of intent. There’s lots of negotiating to do, lots of fleshing out for the agreement. But I am very sure that we’ll get there.”
    Black said more memorandums of understanding are anticipated between Chinese companies and his company, Kitimat Clean.
    The Kitimat refinery — which should have the capacity to process the entire output of the proposed Northern Gateway pipeline — will create 3,000 full-time jobs, 6,000 temporary jobs and generate large tax revenues for the government, Black said.
    Kitimat Mayor Joanne Monaghan told CBC News she hopes the deal with ICBC goes through.
    “You know once it’s built, it’s 2,000 to 3,000 permanent jobs at really good rates,” she said. “I think we have to take a really good look at it.”
    The refinery plans to use a newly-patented “cleaner” approach to processing heavy oil. The Fischer-Tropsch process is said to decrease greenhouse gases per barrel by 50 per cent.
    In addition to the refinery, the project will include a possible pipeline between Edmonton and Kitimat, a marine terminal, and a fleet of oceangoing tankers for the refined fuels..
    “We’re on our way to something that’s going to fabulous for Canada and B.C. and we will reduce environmental difficulties for the planet,” Black said. “We’re hopefully going to reduce the greenhouse gases by half compared to any other refinery in the world.”
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