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Death of OPEC …… or did OPEC Die Decades Ago

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    Charles Randall

    <Interesting articles & perspectives – looks like Venezuela & Iran finally shot themselves in the foot big time with Saudi’s! – CER >
    OPEC Died Decades Ago Market Oracle / Crude Oil Sep 12, 2008 
    By: Mike_Shedlock
    Inquiring minds are considering an article entitled The Death Of OPEC . (
    Saudi Arabia walked out on OPEC yesterday. It said it would not honor the cartel’s production cut. It was tired of rants from Hugo Chavez of Venezuela and the well-dressed oil minister from Iran.
    As the world’s largest crude exporter, the kingdom in the desert took its ball and went home.

    As the Saudis left the building the message was shockingly clear. According to The New York Times, Saudi Arabia will meet the market’s demand, a senior OPEC delegate said. We will see what the market requires and we will not leave a customer without oil.”

    The downward pressure on oil got a second hand. Brazil has confirmed another huge oil deposit to add to one it discovered off-shore earlier this year. The first field uncovered by Petrobras has the promise of being one of the largest in the world. That breadth of that deposit has now expanded.

    OPEC needs that Saudis to have any credibility in terms of pricing, supply, and the ongoing success of its bully pulpit. By failing to keep its most critical member it forfeits its leverage.

    OPEC has made no announcement to the effect that it is dissolving, but the process is already over.

    Douglas A. McIntyre :
    The article to which Douglas McIntyre is referring is called Saudis Vow to Ignore OPEC Decision to Cut Production . ( )

    I hate to break the news to Douglas McIntyre (and others who think similarly) but the simple fact of the matter is OPEC Died Decades Ago, the very day it was born.

    In general terms, cartels always fail. Saudi Arabia and for that matter every country in OPEC will do (and more importantly have done) what is in their own country’s best interest. The bottom line is that every nation in the so-called “cartel” has cheated on so-called “quotas”.

    The reason is simple. If every nation honors the quota except one, the one, whoever it is can make a boatload of money over market price simply by not honoring the quota. The temptation to cheat is enormous.

    In practice, they all want to be the “one”, so they all have a tendency to cheat. If by some amazing feat they manage not to cheat (it happened once decades ago) the price soars, demand falls off an prices quickly crash.

    There is no cartel now, but there never really was one to begin with! It has been that way for decades. It’s all an illusion. This announcement will not affect the price of oil one bit, either way, over the long haul.

    By the way, all manipulation schemes fail for similar reasons.

  • #6578

    Charles Randall

    Interesting articles & perspectives – looks like Venezuela & Iran finally shot themselves in the foot big time with Saudi’s!  The Saudi’s are only ones Have kept quota’s by making adjustments to their production for all other members “Cheating” on agreed target volumes. <Past decades situation like this – when target volumes were set to keep price below $25/Bbl to prevent 2nd Recovery options & new drilling from happening – Saudi’s took price way down to send revenue loss message to other members…..perhaps this is refresher course>
    The Saudi’s not cutting production, the addition of large new Brazil crude fields mentioned, PLUS the newly passed US bill to allow offshore drilling (+100 miles) are going to put some strong additional downward pressure on-top of those already in play. 
    The bankruptcy of several speculators on commodities/crude and financial crisis canceling lot rest has already unwound over $47/Bbl of unsupported Crude price value over fundamentals and the lower damage levels from twin Hurricanes Gustav & Ike is already unwinding some short term builds as well.  This may well shift earnings out of upstream & back into downstream and little relief for the Independent Oil Co.’s

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